Hey shibes, I see a lot of posts about mining lately and questions about the core wallet and how to mine with it, so here are some facts! Feel free to add information to that thread or correct me if I did any mistake.
You downloaded the core wallet
Great! After a decade it probably synced and now you are wondering how to get coins? Bad news: You don't get coins by running your wallet, even running it as a full node. Check what a full node is here. Maybe you thought so, because you saw a very old screenshot of a wallet, like this (Version 1.2). This version had a "Dig" tab where you can enter your mining configuration. The current version doesn't have this anymore, probably because it doesn't make sense anymore.
You downloaded a GPU/CPU miner
Nice! You did it, even your antivirus system probably went postal and you started covering all your webcams... But here is the bad news again: Since people are using ASIC miners, you just can't compete with your CPU hardware anymore. Even with your more advanced GPU you will have a hard time. The hashrate is too high for a desktop PC to compete with them. The blocks should be mined every 1 minute (or so) and that's causing the difficulty to go up - and we are out... So definitly check what is your hashrate while you are mining, you would need about 1.5 MH/s to make 1 Doge in 24 hours!
Let us start with a quote:
"Dogecoin Core 1.8 introduces AuxPoW from block 371,337. AuxPoW is a technology which enables miners to submit work done while mining other coins, as work on the Dogecoin block chain." - langerhans
What does this mean? You could waste your hashrate only on the Dogecoin chain, probably find never a block, but when, you only receive about 10.000 Dogecoins, currently worth about $25. Or you could apply your hashrate to LTC and Doge (and probably even more) at the same time. Your change of solving the block (finding the nonce) is your hashrate divided by the hashrat in sum - and this is about the same for Doge and LTC. This means you will always want to submit your work to all chains available!
Mining solo versus pool
So let's face it - mining solo won't get you anywhere, so let's mine on a pool! If you have a really bad Hashrate, please consider that: Often you need about $1 or $2 worth of crypto to receive a payout (without fees). This means, you have to get there. With 100 MH/s on prohashing, it takes about 6 days, running 24/7 to get to that threshold. Now you can do the math... 1 MH/s = 1000 KH/s, if you are below 1 MH/s, you probably won't have fun.
Buying an ASIC
You found an old BTC USB-miner with 24 GH/s (1 GH/s = 1000 MH/s) for $80 bucks - next stop lambo!? Sorry, bad news again, this hashrate is for SHA-256! If you want to mine LTC/Doge you will need a miner using scrypt with quite lower numbers on the hashrate per second, so don't fall for that. Often when you have a big miner (= also loud), you get more Hashrate per $ spent on the miner, but most will still run on a operational loss, because the electricity is too expensive and the miners will be outdated soon again. Leading me to my next point...
You won't make money running your miner. Just do the math: What if you would have bougth a miner 1 year ago? Substract costs for electricity and then compare to: What if you just have bought coins. In most cases you would have a greater profit by just buying coins, maybe even with a "stable" coin like Doges.
Okay, this was a lot of text and you are still on the hook? Maybe you are desperated enough to invest in some cloud mining contract... But this isn't a good idea either, because most of such contracts are scams based on a ponzi scheme. You often can spot them easy, because they guarantee way to high profits, or they fake payouts that never happened, etc. Just a thought: If someone in a subway says to you: Give me $1 and lets meet in one year, right here and I give you $54,211,841, you wouldn't trust him and if some mining contract says they will give you 5% a day it is basically the same. Also rember the merged mining part. Nobody would offer you to mine Doges, they would offer you to buy a hashrate for scrypt that will apply on multiple chains.
Maybe try to mine a coin where you don't have ASICs yet, like Monero and exchange them to Doge. If somebody already tried this - feel free to add your thoughts!
Folding at Home (Doge)
Some people say folding at home (FAH - https://www.dogecoinfah.com/) still the best. I just installed the tool and it says I would make 69.852 points a day, running on medium power what equates to 8 Doges. It is easy, it was fun, but it isn't much. Thanks for reading _nformant
Let’s take a lucky guess that you’re here today because you’ve heard a lot about cryptocurrencies and you want to get involved, right? If you’re a community person, Dogecoin mining might be the perfect start for you! Bitcoin was the first in 2009, and now there are hundreds of cryptocurrencies. These new coins (that operate on their own native blockchain) are called altcoins or alternative coins. One popular altcoin is Dogecoin. It can be bought, sold and traded, just like Bitcoin. It can also be mined! So, what is Dogecoin mining? You’ll know what hardware and what software you need to get started. You’ll also know whether or not Dogecoin mining is for you! So, where would you like to start? The beginning? Great choice. Let’s have a quick look at how Dogecoin got started. A (Very) Short History of Dogecoin In 2013, an Australian named Jackson Palmer and an American named Billy Markus became friends. They became friends because they both liked cryptocurrencies. However, they also thought the whole thing was getting too serious so they decided to create their own. Palmer and Markus wanted their coin to be more fun and more friendly than other crypto coins. They wanted people who wouldn’t normally care about crypto to get involved. They decided to use a popular meme as their mascot — a Shiba Inu dog. https://preview.redd.it/rymnyyz1iil31.png?width=303&format=png&auto=webp&s=f138e3fe56eef9c6b0e7f49b84fefc41fb83e5aa Dogecoin was launched on December 6th, 2013. Since then it has become popular because it’s playful and good-natured. Just like its mascot! Dogecoin has become well-known for its use in charitable acts and online tipping. In 2014, $50,000 worth of Dogecoin was donated to the Jamaican Bobsled Team so they could go to the Olympics. Dogecoin has also been used to build wells in Kenya. Isn’t that awesome! Users of social platforms – like Reddit – can use Dogecoin to tip or reward each other for posting good content. Dogecoin has the 27th largest market cap of any cryptocurrency. Note: A market cap (or market capitalization) is the total value of all coins on the market. So, Dogecoin is a popular altcoin, known for being fun, friendly and kind. It’s a coin with a dog on it! You love it already, don’t you? Next, I want to talk about how mining works… What is Mining? To understand mining, you first need to understand how cryptocurrencies work. Cryptocurrencies are peer-to-peer digital currencies. This means that they allow money to be transferred from one person to another without using a bank. Every cryptocurrency transaction is recorded on a huge digital database called a blockchain. The database is stored across thousands of computers called nodes. Nodes put together groups of new transactions and add them to the blockchain. These groups are called blocks. Each block of transactions has to be checked by all the nodes on the network before being added to the blockchain. If nodes didn’t check transactions, people could pretend that they have more money than they really do (I know I would!). Confirming transactions (mining) requires a lot of computer power and electricity so it’s quite expensive. Blockchains don’t have paid employees like banks, so they offer a reward to users who confirm transactions. The reward for confirming new transactions is new cryptocurrency. The process of being rewarded with new currency for confirming transactions is what we call “mining”! https://preview.redd.it/rcut2jx3iil31.png?width=598&format=png&auto=webp&s=8d78d41c764f4fe4e6386da4f40a66556a873b87 It is called mining because it’s a bit like digging for gold or diamonds. Instead of digging with a shovel for gold, you’re digging with your computer for crypto coins! Each cryptocurrency has its own blockchain. Different ways of mining new currency are used by different coins where different rewards are offered. So, how do you mine Dogecoin? What’s special about Dogecoin mining? Let’s see… What is Dogecoin Mining? Dogecoin mining is the process of being rewarded with new Dogecoin for checking transactions on the Dogecoin blockchain. Simple, right? Well no, it’s not quite that simple, nothing ever is! Mining Dogecoin is like a lottery. To play the lottery you have to do some work. Well, actually your computer (or node) has to do some work! This work involves the confirming and checking of transactions which I talked about in the last section. Lots of computers work on the same block of transactions at the same time but the only one can win the reward of new coins. The one that earns the new coins is the node that adds the new block of transactions to the old block of transactions. This is completed using complex mathematical equations. The node that solves the mathematical problem first wins! It can then attach the newly confirmed block of transactions to the rest of the blockchain. Most cryptocurrency mining happens this way. However, Dogecoin mining differs from other coins in several important areas. These areas are;
Algorithm: Each cryptocurrency has a set of rules for mining new currency. These rules are called a mining or hashing algorithm.
Block Time: This is the average length of time it takes for a new block of transactions to be checked and added to the blockchain.
Difficulty: This is a number that represents how hard it is to mine each new block of currency. You can use the difficulty number to work out how likely you are to win the mining lottery. Mining difficulty can go up or down depending on how many miners there are. The difficulty is also adjusted by the coin’s protocol to make sure that the block time stays the same.
Reward: This is the amount of new currency that is awarded to the miner of each new block.
Now, let’s compare how DogeCoin mining works compared to Litecoin and Bitcoin… Mining Comparison Bitcoin uses SHA-256 to guide the mining of new currency and the other two use Scrypt. This is an important difference because Scrypt mining needs a lot less power and is a lot quicker than SHA-256. This makes mining easier for miners with less powerful computers. Fans of Litecoin and Dogecoin think that they are fairer than Bitcoin because more people can mine them. Note: In 2014, Litecoin and Dogecoin merged mining. This means they made it possible to mine both coins in the same process. Dogecoin mining is now linked with Litecoin mining. It’s like two different football teams playing home games in the same stadium! Mining Dogecoin is a lot faster than mining Litecoin or Bitcoin. The block reward is much higher too! Don’t get too excited though (sorry!). Dogecoin is still worth a lot less than Bitcoin and Litecoin. A reward of ten thousand Dogecoin is worth less than thirty US Dollars. A reward of 12.5 Bitcoin is currently worth 86,391.63 US Dollars! However, it’s not as bad as it sounds. Dogecoin mining difficulty is more than one million times less than Bitcoin mining difficulty. This means you are much more likely to win the block reward when you mine Dogecoin. Now I’ve told you about what Dogecoin mining is and how it works, would you like to give it a try? Let’s see what you need to do to become a Dogecoin miner… How to Mine Dogecoin There are two ways to mine Dogecoin, solo (by yourself) or in a Dogecoin mining pool. Note: A Dogecoin pool is a group of users who share their computing power to increase the odds of winning the race to confirm transactions. When one of the nodes in a pool confirms a transaction, it divides the reward between the users of the pool equally. Dogecoin Mining: Solo vs Pool When you mine as a part of a Dogecoin pool, you have to pay fees. Also, when the pool mines a block you will only receive a small portion of the total reward. However, pools mine blocks much more often than solo miners. So, your chance of earning a reward (even though it is shared) is increased. This can provide you with a steady new supply of Dogecoin. If you choose to mine solo then you risk waiting a long time to confirm a transaction because there is a lot of competition. It could be weeks or even months before you mine your first block! However, when you do win, the whole reward will be yours. You won’t have to share it or pay any fees. As a beginner, I would recommend joining a Dogecoin pool. This way you won’t have to wait as long to mine your first block of new currency. You’ll also feel like you’re part of the community and that’s what Dogecoin is all about! What You Need To Start Mining Dogecoin Before you start Dogecoin mining, you’ll need a few basics. They are;
A PC with either Windows, OS X or Linux operating system.
An internet connection
A Shiba Inu puppy (just kidding!)
You’ll also need somewhere to keep the Dogecoin you mine. Go to Dogecoin’s homepage and download a wallet. Note: A wallet is like an email account. It has a public address for sending/receiving Dogecoin and a private key to access them. Your private keys are like your email’s password. Private keys are very important and need to be kept completely secure. There are two different types; a light wallet and a full wallet. To mine Dogecoin, you’ll need the full wallet. It’s called Dogecoin Core. Now that you’ve got a wallet, you need some software and hardware. Dogecoin Mining Hardware You can mine Dogecoin with;
Your PC’s CPU: The CPU in your PC is probably powerful enough to mine Dogecoin. However, it is not recommended. Mining can cause less powerful computers to overheat which causes damage.
A GPU: GPUs (or graphics cards) are used to improve computer graphics but they can also be used to mine Dogecoin. There are plenty of GPUs to choose from but here are a few to get you started;SAPPHIRE Pulse Radeon RX 580 ($426.98)Nvidia GeForce GTX ($579.99)ASUS RX Vega 64 ($944.90)
A Scrypt ASIC Miner: This is a piece of hardware designed to do one job only. Scrypt ASIC miners are programmed to mine scrypt based currencies like Litecoin and Dogecoin. ASIC miners are very powerful. They are also very expensive, very loud and can get very hot! Here’s a few for you to check out;Innosilicon A2 Terminator ($760)Bitmain Antminer L3 ($1,649)BW L21 Scrypt Miner ($7,700)
Dogecoin Mining Software Whether you’re mining with an ASIC, a GPU or a CPU, you’ll need some software to go with it. You should try to use the software that works best with the hardware you’re using. Here’s a short list of the best free software for each choice of mining hardware;
CPU: If you just want to give mining a quick try, using your computer’s CPU will work fine. The only software I would recommend for mining using a CPU only is CPU miner which you can download for free here.
GPU: If you mine with a GPU there are more software options. Here are a few to check out;CudaMiner– Works best with Nvidia products.CGminer– Works with most GPU hardware.EasyMiner– User-friendly, so it’s good for beginners.
Scrypt ASIC miner:MultiMiner– Great for mining scrypt based currencies like Litecoin and Dogecoin. It can also be used to mine SHA-256 currencies like Bitcoin.CGminer and EasyMiner can also be used with ASIC miners.
Recommendations You’re a beginner, so keep it simple! When you first start mining Dogecoin I would recommend using a GPU like the Radeon RX 580 with EasyMiner software. Then I would recommend joining a Dogecoin mining pool. The best pools to join are multi-currency pools like Multipool or AikaPool. If you want to mine Dogecoin but don’t want to invest in all the tech, there is one other option… Dogecoin Cloud Mining Cloud mining is mining without mining! Put simply, you rent computer power from a huge data center for a monthly or yearly fee. The Dogecoin is mined at the center and then your share is sent to you. All you need to cloud mine Dogecoin is a Dogecoin wallet. Then choose a cloud mining pool to join. Eobot, Nice Hash and Genesis Mining all offer Scrypt-based cloud mining for a monthly fee. There are pros and cons to Dogecoin cloud mining; The Pros
It’s cheaper than setting up your own mining operation. There’s also no hot, noisy hardware lying around the house!
As a beginner, there isn’t a lot of technical stuff to think about.
You get a steady supply of new currency every month.
Cloud mining pools don’t share much information about themselves and how they work. It can be hard to work out if a cloud mining contract is a good value for money.
You are only renting computer power. If the price of Dogecoin goes down, you will still have to pay the same amount for something that is worthless.
Dogecoin pools have fixed contracts. The world of crypto can change very quickly. You could be stuck with an unprofitable contract for two years!
It’s no fun letting someone else do the mining for you!
Now you know about all the different ways to mine Dogecoin we can ask the big question, can you make tons of money mining Dogecoin? So, Is Dogecoin Mining Profitable? The short answer is, not really. Dogecoin mining is not going to make you a crypto billionaire overnight. One Dogecoin is worth 0.002777 US Dollars. If you choose to mine Dogecoin solo, it will be difficult to make a profit. You will probably spend more money on electricity and hardware than you will make from Dogecoin mining. Even if you choose a Dogecoin pool or a cloud pool your profits will be small. However, if you think I am telling you to not mine Dogecoin, then you’re WRONG! Of course, I think you should mine Dogecoin! But why? Seriously… Well, you should mine Dogecoin because it’s fun and you want to be a part of the Dogecoin family. Cryptocurrency is going to change the world and you want to be part of that change, right? Mining Dogecoin is a great way to get involved. Dogecoin is the coin that puts a smile on people’s faces. By mining Dogecoin you’ll be supporting all the good work its community does. You’ll learn about mining from the friendliest gang in crypto. And who knows? In a few years, the Dogecoin you mine now could be worth thousands or even millions! In 2010, Bitcoin was worthless. Think about that! Only you can choose whether to mine Dogecoin or not. You now know everything you need to know to make your choice. The future is here. So, what are you going to do?
It's easy to compare blockchain hashrates when the Proof-of-Work algorithm is the same. For example if Bitcoin has a hashrate of SHA-256 @ 40 PH/s and Bitcoin Cash has a hashrate of SHA-256 @ 2 PH/s, it's easy to see that for a given period of time the Bitcoin blockchain will have 20x (40/2) the amount of work securing it than the Bitcoin Cash blockchain. Or to say that differently, you need to wait for 20x more Bitcoin Cash confirmations before an equivalent amount of work has been done compared to the Bitcoin blockchain. So 6 Bitcoin confirmations would be roughly equivalent to 120 Bitcoin Cash confirmations in the amount of work done. However if the Proof-of-Work algorithms are different, how can we compare the hashrate? If we're comparing Bitcoin (SHA-256 @ 40 PH/s) against Litecoin (Scrypt @ 300 TH/s), the hashes aren't equal, one round of SHA-256 is not equivalent to one round of Scrypt. What we really want to know is how much energy is being consumed to provide the current hash rate. Literal energy, as in joules or kilowatt hours. It would be great if we had a universal metric across blockchains like kWh/s to measure immutability. However that's fairly hard to calculate, we need to know the average power consumption of the average device used to mine. For GPU/CPU mined Proof-of-Work algorithms this varies greatly. For ASIC mined Proof-of-Work algorithms it varies less, however it's likely that ASIC manufacturers are mining with next generation hardware long before the public is made aware of them, which we can't account for. There's no automated way to get this data and no reliable data source to scrape it from. We'd need to manually research all mining hardware and collate the data ourself. And as soon as newer mining hardware comes out our results will be outdated. Is there a simpler way to get an estimated amount of work per blockchain in a single metric we can use for comparisons? Yeah, there is, we can use NiceHash prices to estimate the cost in $ to secure a blockchain for a given timeframe. This is directly comparable across blockchains and should be directly proportionate to kWh/s, because after all, the energy needs to be paid for in $. How can we estimate this?
Get the blockchains Proof-of-Work algorithm
Lookup the average price per hash on NiceHash for this algorithm
Multiply price per hash by total hashrate per second
Now we have an estimated total Proof-of-Work metric measured in dollars per second ($/s). The $/s metric may not be that accurate. Miners will mark up the cost when reselling on NiceHash and we're making the assumption that NiceHash supply is infinite. You can't actually rent 100% of Bitcoin's hashpower from NiceHash, there isn't enough supply. However that's not really an issue for this metric, we aren't trying to calculate the theoretical cost to rent an additional 100% of the hashrate, we're trying to get a figure that allows us to compare the cost of the current total hashrate accross blockchains. Even if the exact $ value we end up with is not that accurate, it should still be proportionate to kWh/s. This means it's still an accurate metric to compare the difference in work done over a given amount of time between blockchains. So how do we compare these values between blockchains? Once we've done the above calculations and got a $/s cost for each blockchain, we just need to factor in the average block time and calculate the total $ cost for a given number of confirmations. Then see how much time is required on the other blockchain at it's $/s value to equal the total cost. So to calculate how many Litecoin confirmations are equivalent to 6 Bitcoin confirmations we would do:
Bitcoin (SHA-256 @ 40 PH/s) or ($100/s)
Litecoin (Scrypt @ 300 TH/s) or ($10/s)
Bitcoin's average block time is 10 minutes (600 seconds)
6 Bitcoin confirmations on average is 60 minutes (3,600 seconds)
Bitcoin's total $ cost for 6 confirmations is ($100 * 3,600 seconds) $360,000
At Litecoin's hashrate of $10/s it would take ($360,000 / $10) 36,000 seconds (10 hours) to complete an equivalent amount of work
Litecoin's average block time is 2.5 minutes (150 seconds)
The amount of Litecoin blocks expected over this period of time is (36,000 seconds / 150 seconds) 240 blocks.
Therefore we can say that 240 Litecoin confirmations are roughly equal to 6 Bitcoin confirmations in total amount of work done.
$/s doesn't mean what it sounds like it means.
The $/s values should not be taken as literal costs. For example:
Bitcoin's total $ cost for 6 confirmations is ($100 * 3,600 seconds) $360,000
This is does not mean you could do a 51% attack on Bitcoin and roll back 6 blocks for a cost of $360,000. An attack like that would be much more expensive. The $/s value is a metric to compare the amount of work at the current hashrate between blockchains. It is not the same as the cost to add hashrate to the network. When adding hashrate to a network the cost will not scale linearly with hashrate. It will jump suddenly at certain intervals. For example, once you've used up the available hashrate on NiceHash you need to add the costs of purchasing ASICs, then once you've bought all the ASICs in the world, you'd need to add the costs of fabricating your own chips to keep increasing hashrate.
These metrics are measuring "work done", not security.
More "work done" doesn't necessarily mean "more security". For example take the following two blockchains:
Bitcoin Cash (SHA-256 @ 2 PH/s) or ($5/s)
Zcash (Equihash @ 4 GH/s) or ($3/s)
Bitcoin Cash has a higher $/s value than Zcash so we can deduce it has more "work done" over a given timeframe than Zcash. More kWh/s are required to secure it's blockchain. However does that really mean it's safer? Zcash is the dominant blockchain for it's Proof-of-Work algorithm (Equihash). Whereas Bitcoin Cash isn't, it uses the same algorithm as Bitcoin. In fact just 5% of Bitcoin's hashrate is equivalent to all of Bitcoin Cash's hashrate. This means the cost of a 51% attack against Bitcoin Cash could actually be much lower than a 51% attack against Zcash, even though you need to aquire more kWh/s of work, the cost to aquire those kWh/s will likely be lower. To attack Bitcoin Cash you don't need to acquire any hardware, you just need to convince 5% of the Bitcoin hashrate to lend their SHA-256 hashpower to you. To attack Zcash, you would likely need to fabricate your own Equihash ASICs, as almost all the Equihash mining hardware in the world is already securing Zcash.
Accurately calculating security is much more complicated.
These metrics give a good estimated value to compare the hashrate accross different Proof-of-Work blockchains. However to calculate if a payment can be considered "finalised" involves many more variables. You should factor in:
Is this cryptocurrency the dominant cryptocurrency for it's Proof-of-Work algorithm?
What is the market cap of this cryptocurrency?
What is the daily trading volume of this cryptocurrency?
What is the $ value of this transaction?
If the cryptocurrency doesn't dominate the Proof-of-Work it can be attacked more cheaply. If the market cap or trading volume is really low, an attacker may crash the price of the currency before they can successfully double spend it and make a profit. Although that's more relevant in the context of exchanges rather than individuals accepting payments. If the value of the transaction is low enough, it may cost more to double spend than an attacker would profit from the double spend. Ultimately, once the cost of a double spend becomes higher than an attacker can expect to profit from the double spend, that is when a payment can probably be considered "finalised".
What is dev team going do about Dogecoin's dangerously low hashrate?
First of all, let me apologize in advance if anything I say offends people or if I am not very nice. I am stating my opinions and don't like to sugar coat things. So it might be a bit jarring when compared to typical shibes you see around here. :) The last time I talked to the Dogecoin dev team, they were still trying to figure out what they wanted to do. And Jackson said that he would wait for 2 more halvings before considering merged mining. Well it's been 2 halvings, and the Dogecoin hashrate has behaved pretty much as I expected: LTC/DOGE hashrate comparison When I did my merged mining AMA, the dogecoin hashrate was about 1/2 of litecoin's hashrate. Today, the hashrate is 1/15 of litecoin's. Pretty much all the ASIC hashrate went to Litecoin, which I warned would happen. The Dogecoin's network security is in danger of being attacked. The top 3 Litecoin pools can easily pull off a 51% attack on the Dogecoin network. In a few weeks, the top 6 Litecoin pools can easily do it. A Scrypt ASIC farm can decide that it wants to have some fun. The Dogecoin network hashrate is about 45 ghash/s. So as an example, a 50 ghash/s farm can easily 51% it. Here's the earning ability of 50 ghash/s: litecoin mining calculator. It makes about $20500 per day. Let's say it takes about 30 minutes to pull off this attack... that's 30 Dogecoin confirmations. The attacker loses about $430 if he stops mining Litecoin for an hour. They could try to attack one of the top Dogecoin exchanges and try to steal 0.7 bitcoins to make it worth their time. Or they can double spend a lifetime subscription to Hustler.com, which is worth about $500. Or maybe they just don't like Dogecoin. And it only costs them $430! Dogecoin's network security is worth only $430. So what can you do? Honestly, I'm not sure merged mining is a viable option anymore, as it is becoming less and less viable with each passing day. Merged mining was the best option in April, when I first proposed it. At that time, if merged mining was implemented, almost every single Litecoin and Dogecoin pool will switch to do merged mining right away, because adding merged mining of Dogecoin would increase their mining output by 50%! Today, adding merged mining will only increase earnings by 6%. It's hard to say how many pools will switch. Some might think it's not worth their time. So it would take a big PR push to make this work. You're now left with a hard choice:
Don't do anything and hope
Do merged mining and try to convince all the pools to do it
Switch to another algorithm, and hope you can compete better against other GPU mined coins
Switch to proof of stake, and accept all the problems that come with that.
Of Wolves and Weasels - Day 187 - Guest Post: Confessions of a Bitcoiner
Hey all! GoodShibe... on Summer Vacation! Please enjoy this post by Guest Writer Justlite and tip them well ;D) Note: To tip them directly: +dogetipbot @Justlite xxx doge verify I've been part of this Dogecoin community since early January and I have to say the people here constantly amaze me. For me Dogecoin and this community is the future of cryptocurrency and I'm speaking as a long time Bitcoiner. Over a month ago I explained in a previous post why I believe Dogecoin price will rise again and correctly predicted Bitcoin to rise substantially shortly after my post against in the face of several counter arguments late last year. My thoughts have not changed on Dogecoin but I feel it's worth giving my experience on cryptocurrencies as a Bitcoiner in the early days of 2010-13 and how that compares with Dogecoin. I bought Bitcoin and Litecoin in the early days and I can tell you the Bitcoin community back then was hopeful, cheerful and very welcoming...forgive us right now we are at the fighting stage with the established status quo wants to knock Bitcoin down. In the early days we were only known for CPU/GPU mining discussions and tipping one another after each comment. In fact Bitcoin was only ever used to tip and trade but not to buy anything since we didn't have anything available for Bitcoin. We were very brave I mean wiring money to a company in Japan and getting these online things called Bitcoin which doesn't buy anything?! Back then Bitcoin fans were seen as weird and Bitcoin as a complete joke we were idealist and we still are. Many of the people that fought us then were actually the libertarian precious metals community and because gold and silver were tangible and has been money for 5000 years Bitcoin wasn't and was barely a year old. It's hard to argue with them, after all some guy that called himself Satoshi Nakamoto, the Japanese equivalent of Jack Smith, created it but left after a year and no one saw how he looks like. We could understand their concerns, a lot of early Bitcoiners like me also have gold and silver in the belief it will protect our wealth from the next financial collapse. But Bitcoin was created for this purpose too, no more will the 1% have economic power over the 99%, "1 CPU - 1 vote" said Satoshi in his white paper. We are also in the digital era and with all the success the internet is nowadays there still was no internet currency without the excessive charges of credit card companies. Bitcoin changed all that it wasn't just an internet currency it was hoping to be money on every platform in every country, person to person, in at least 10 minutes between any country in any amount for free! Fast forward to present day and we are starting to see that. Of course we have had many setbacks on the way, such as exchanges being hacked, wallets stolen. We weren't so security conscious back then and we learned the hard way. Then we grew in price and popularity and quite recently the government fought us when our dark market Silk Road was shut down by the Feds. We have had 4 price bubbles a lot of sleepless nights I've personally ploughed in tens of thousands of dollars lost a lot of Bitcoins on the way (and also lost 15000 Litecoins) and forced to read articles with declarations of "Bitcoin is dead" after each major price drop. Sound familiar? "History doesn't repeat it self but it does rhyme" Mark Twain That's all part of the growing pains of a disruptive idea. Dogecoin, by comparison, has a whole economy after just 7 months of inception! It's remarkable as I am also a big Litecoin fan and even that community isn't as productive as this. People talk about Dogecoin's PR as it being behind its popularity but I honestly believe there is no intentional PR, I mean where is the PR team? I believe it was a combination of a friendly meme encouraging positive kind people, a internet currency that's easily explainable to anyone, a very mineable coin using your PC/laptop so everyone can get involved in and great online platform such as Reddit to connect like minded users together and everything just snowballed from there. Now Dogecoin is one of the most productive coins out there with several client and core devs, hundreds of retailers, apps, doge specific websites, blogs and charity fundraisers. That's why I believe Dogecoin is undervalued right now. This doesn't mean you should put your life savings into Dogecoin or other cryptocurrencies as they are still a risk and early stage technology. Just buy with what you can afford to lose! So where is Dogecoin heading? - The analysis As long as we still use doge for goods and services and keep the positivity going then I can only see the price of doge going higher and reaching all time highs without the need for manipulation. Over what time frame? Like Bitcoin it won't be overnight and granted there's no supply limit so it will never reach tens or hundreds of dollars but we don't need it to. I honestly want Dogecoin to be a currency and I personally like having whole doges. Ideally I would hope that 1 or even 10 doge will buy 1 loaf of bread or 1 litre of milk at my local grocery store some day. Supply vs Demand As I mentioned before the supply coming to the exchanges from multipools has been immense - it is thought about 160 million doge a day is being mined and sold on exchanges just from miners. This not only exerts a lot of selling pressure but it also encourages weak hands to sell forcing the price down further it's a downward spiral which we have been seeing. Any other coin would have collapsed long ago but doge is no ordinary coin. After the next two halvings in October time it will be down to 40 million a day and low enough to allow for natural demand to outpace the supply causing the price to increase steadily which will give momentum and may then lead to a new all time high and the second bubble. Network Hashrate I'm of the belief that ASICs are a necessary evolution in cryptocurrencies by making a coin secure which will attract investment/adoption and environmentally friendly. With scrypt ASICs large and small coming online the network hashrate has more than doubled in the last 2 months from 40 GH/s to 90 GH/s and while we tend to see a jump in hashrate just before a halvening I attribute this rise to small miners also buying ASICs and a lack of more profitable altcoins. Again that's great for the stability of our coin and this will provide further confidence that Dogecoin is a good crypto to buy/adopt/invest. Deflationary Inflation Sounds confusing so let me explain unlike Bitcoin where there will only be 21 million coins mined, Dogecoin will reach 100 billion coins mined after block 600k and then see 5.25 billion coins mined each year forever which works out as 5.25% inflation in the first year and then 4.99% in the second year and so on. While this may seem a lot I have come to the conclusion that it may be a blessing for Dogecoin as it is thought that 5 billion coins per year would be lost permanently anyway so this will 5.25billion coins would replace the lost coins. The extra 5.25 billion coins per year would be enough to incentivise miners to continue mining doge (which would hopefully be at a high enough price after the 600k block reward) and securing our network. Because Bitcoin has a cap it is seen as a store of value like gold whereas Dogecoin has a infinite supply but at a predictably low yearly increase in fact from 2015 to 2020 Dogecoin will have less yearly inflation than Bitcoin. This can actually encourage people to treat Dogecoin as a true currency to buy everyday items with than as a store of value. I believe that is what Satoshi envisioned Bitcoin to be. What are the whales doing? The top 20 dogecoin addresses which account for 40% of all mined Dogecoin out there haven't sold any of their DOGEs. The whales with large wallets have not sold their DOGE over the course of the last 4 months but the smaller wallets have! Why? The whales are happy to see their DOGE go to zero if they thought it was dying or they have been there and done that and know that perhaps Dogecoin is heading up? I can tell you I have no intention of selling my DOGEs as I believe interesting times are ahead. The Bitcoin Effect Bitcoin has paved the way for a crypto to go from $0.0001 to $1000+ and brought technological development, liberty and a sense of community all in a 5 year timespan. While only $0.00023 Dogecoin has got an ecosystem, a following, funded several charity efforts and a burgeoning economy after only 7 months thanks in part to the network effect of Bitcoin and the rest down to you. All I can say to you all is well done to all of you for being such a positive and productive community. Keep using Dogecoin and check the links at the side bar such as dogedoor.net and suchlist.com so that you can spend, buy, tip and mine doge and spread the word. Now let's go to the moon! TL;DR - Bitcoin had it's ups and downs and not short of haters over the years. Dogecoin is following the same path but in a shorter time frame. After the next 2 halvings Dogecoin price should be rising and adoption will speed up again which will make it a true currency so keep buying using and tipping doge wherever you can. It's 8:09AM EST and we've found 87.24% of our initial 100 Billion DOGEs -- only 12.76% remains until our period of Hyper-inflation ends! Our Global Hashrate is up from ~76 to ~92 Gigahashes per second and our Difficulty is up from ~1196 to ~1351. I Hope you enjoyed today's Guest Post by Justlite! Note: To tip them directly: +dogetipbot @Justlite xxx doge verify GoodShibe
The pools are all reporting the wrong network data (I hope its this - but the rate of discovery of blocks by pools would suggest otherwise)”
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6782852#msg6782852) -2192: “New source (0.8.8.1) is up with optimizations in the hashing. Hashrate should go up ~4x or so, but may have CPU architecture dependence. Windows binaries are up as well for both 64-bit and 32-bit." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6788812#msg6788812) [eizh makes official announce of last miner optimization, it is may 17th] -2219: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6792038#msg6792038) [wolf0 is part of the monero community for a while, discussing several topics as botnet mining and miner optimizations. Now spots security flaws in the just launched pools] -2301: "5x optimized miner released, network hashrate decreases by 10% Make your own conclusions. :|" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6806946#msg6806946) -2323: "Monero is on Poloniex https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_mro" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6808548#msg6808548) -2747: "Monero is holding a $500 logo contest on 99designs.com now: https://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/monero-mro-cryptocurrency-logo-design-contest-382486" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6829109#msg6829109) -2756: “So... ALL Pools have 50KH/s COMBINED. Yet, network hash is 20x more. Am i the only one who thinks that some people are insta mining with prepared faster miners?” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6829977#msg6829977) -2757: “Pools aren't stable yet. They are more inefficient than solo mining at the moment. They were just released. 10x optimizations have already been released since launch, I doubt there is much more optimization left.” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6830012#msg6830012) -2765: “Penalty for too large block size is disastrous in the long run. Once MRO value increases a lot, block penalties will become more critical of an issue. Pools will fix this issue by placing a limit on number and size of transactions. Transaction fees will go up, because the pools will naturally accept the most profitable transactions. It will become very expensive to send with more than 0 mixin. Anonymity benefits of ring signatures are lost, and the currency becomes unusable for normal transactions.” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6830475#msg6830475) -2773: "The CryptoNote developers didn't want blocks getting very large without genuine need for it because it permits a malicious attack. So miners out of self-interest would deliberately restrict the size, forcing the network to operate at the edge of the penalty-free size limit but not exceed it. The maximum block size is a moving average so over time it would grow to accommodate organic volume increase and the issue goes away. This system is most broken when volume suddenly spikes." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6830710#msg6830710) -3035: "We've contributed a massive amount to the infrastructure of the coin so far, enough to get recognition from cryptonote, including optimizing their hashing algorithm by an order of magnitude, creating open source pool software, and pushing several commits correcting issues with the coin that eventually were merged into the ByteCoin master. We also assisted some exchange operators in helping to support the coin. To say that has no value is a bit silly... We've been working alongside the ByteCoin devs to improve both coins substantially." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6845545#msg6845545) [tacotime defends the Monero team and community of accusations of just “ripping-off” others hard-work and “steal” their project] -3044: "image" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6845986#msg6845986) [Monero added to coinmarketcap may 21st 2014] -3059: "You have no idea how influential you have been to the success of this coin. You are a great ambassador for MRO and one of the reasons why I chose to mine MRO during the early days (and I still do, but alas no soup for about 5 days now)." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6846509#msg6846509) [random user thanks smooth CONSTANT presence, and collaboration. It is not all FUD ;)] -3068: "You are a little too caught up in the mindset of altcoin marketing wars about "unique features" and "the team" behind the latest pump and dump scam. In fact this coin is really little more than BCN without the premine. "The team" is anyone who contributes code, which includes anyone contributing code to the BCN repository, because that will get merged as well (and vice-versa). Focus on the technology (by all accounts amazing) and the fact that it was launched in a clean way without 80% of the total world supply of the coin getting hidden away "somewhere." That is the unique proposition here. There also happens to be a very good team behind the coin, but anyone trying too hard to market on the basis of some "special" features, team, or developer is selling you something. Hold on to your wallet." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6846638#msg6846638) [An answer to those trolls saying Monero has no innovation/unique feature] -3070: "Personally I found it refreshing that Monero took off WITHOUT a logo or a gui wallet, it means the team wasn't hyping a slick marketing package and is concentrating on the coin/note itself." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6846676#msg6846676) -3119: “image” [included for the lulz] -3101: "[…]The main developers are tacotime, smooth, NoodleDoodle. Some needs are being contracted out, including zone117x, LucasJones, and archit for the pool, another person for a Qt GUI, and another person independently looking at the code for bugs." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6848006#msg6848006) [the initial "core team" so far, eizh post] -3123: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6850085#msg6850085) [fluffy steps-in with an interesting dense post. Don’t dare to skip it, worthwhile reading] -3127: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6850526#msg6850526) [fluffy again, worth to read it too, so follow link, don’t be lazy] -3194: "Hi guys - thanks to lots of hard work we have added AES-NI support to the slow_hash function. If you're using an AES-NI processor you should see a speed-up of about 30%.” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6857197#msg6857197) [flufflypony is now pretty active in the xmr topic and announces a new optimization to the crippled miner] -3202: "Whether using pools or not, this coin has a lot of orphaned blocks. When the original fork was done, several of us advised against 60 second blocks, but the warnings were not heeded. I'm hopeful we can eventually make a change to more sane 2- or 2.5-minute blocks which should drastically reduce orphans, but that will require a hard fork, so not that easy." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6857796#msg6857796) [smooth takes the opportunity to remember the need of bigger target block] -3227: “Okay, optimized miner seems to be working: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=619373” [wolf0 makes public his open source optimized miner] -3235: "Smooth, I agree block time needs to go back to 2 minutes or higher. I think this and other changes discussed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597878.msg6701490#msg6701490) should be rolled into a single hard fork and bundled with a beautiful GUI wallet and mining tools." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6861193#msg6861193) [tail emission, block target and block size are discussed in the next few messages among smooth, johnny and others. If you want to know further about their opinions/reasonings go and read it] -3268: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6862693#msg6862693) [fluffy dares another user to bet 5 btc that in one year monero will be over dash in market cap. A bet that he would have lost as you can see here https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20150524/ even excluding the 2M “instamined” coins] -3283: "Most of the previous "CPU only" coins are really scams and the developers already have GPU miner or know how to write one. There are a very few exceptions, almost certainly including this one. I don't expect a really dominant GPU miner any time soon, maybe ever. GPUs are just computers though, so it is certainly possible to mine this on a GPU, and there probably will be a some GPU miner, but won't be so much faster as to put small scale CPU miners out of business (probably -- absent some unknown algorithmic flaw). Everyone focuses on botnets because it has been so long since regular users were able to effectively mine a coin (due to every coin rapidly going high end GPU and ASIC) that the idea that "users" could vastly outnumber "miners" (botnet or otherwise) isn't even on the radar. The vision here is a wallet that asks you when you want to install: "Do you want to devote some of you CPU power to help secure the network. You will be eligible to receive free coins as a reward (recommended) [check box]." Get millions of users doing that and it will drive down the value of mining to where neither botnets nor professional/industrial miners will bother, and Satoshi's original vision of a true p2p currency will be realized. That's what cryptonote wants to accomplish with this whole "egalitarian mining" concept. Whether it succeeds I don't know but we should give it a chance. Those cryptonote guys seem pretty smart. They've probably thought this through better than any of us have." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6863720#msg6863720) [smooth vision of a true p2p currency] -3318: "I have a screen shot that was PMed to me by someone who paid a lot of money for a lot of servers to mine this coin. He won't be outed by me ever but he does in fact exist. Truth." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6865061#msg6865061) [smooth somehow implies it is not botnets but an individual or a group of them renting huge cloud instances] -3442: "I'm happy to report we've successfully cracked Darkcoin's network with our new quantum computers that just arrived from BFL, a mere two weeks after we ordered them." [fluffy-troll] -3481: “Their slogan is, "Orphaned Blocks, Bloated Blockchain, that's how we do"" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6878244#msg6878244) [Major FUD troll in the topic. One of the hardest I’ve ever seen] -3571: "Tacotime wanted the thread name and OP to use the word privacy instead of anonymity, but I made the change for marketing reasons. Other coins do use the word anonymous improperly, so we too have to play the marketing game. Most users will not bother looking at details to see which actually has more privacy; they'll assume anonymity > privacy. In a world with finite population, there's no such thing as anonymity. You're always "1 of N" possible participants. Zero knowledge gives N -> everyone using the currency, ring signatures give N -> your choice, and CoinJoin gives N -> people who happen to be spending around the same amount of money as you at around the same time. This is actually the critical weakness of CoinJoin: the anonymity set is small and it's fairly susceptible to blockchain analysis. Its main advantage is that you can stick to Bitcoin without hard forking. Another calculated marketing decision: I made most of the OP about ring signatures. In reality, stealth addressing (i.e. one-time public keys) already provides you with 90% of the privacy you need. Ring signatures are more of a trump card that cannot be broken. But Bitcoin already has manual stealth addressing so the distinguishing technological factor in CryptoNote is the use of ring signatures. This is why I think having a coin based on CoinJoin is silly: Bitcoin already has some privacy if you care enough. A separate currency needs to go way beyond mediocre privacy improvements and provide true indistinguishably. This is true thanks to ring signatures: you can never break the 1/N probability of guessing correctly. There's no additional circumstantial evidence like with CoinJoin (save for IP addresses, but that's a problem independent of cryptocurrencies)." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6883525#msg6883525) [Anonymity discussions, specially comparing Monero with Darkcoin and its coinjoin-based solution, keep going on] -3593: "Transaction fees should be a fixed percentage of the block reward, or at the very least not be controllable by the payer. If payers can optionally pay more then it opens the door for miner discrimination and tx fee bidding wars." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6886770#msg6886770) [Johnny Mnemonic is a firm defender of fixed fees and tail emission: he see the “fee market” as big danger to the usability of cryptocurrencies] -3986: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6930412#msg6930412) [partnership with i2p] -4373: “Way, way faster version of cpuminer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=619373” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg6993812#msg6993812) [super-optimized miner is finally leaked to the public. Now the hashrate is 100 times bigger than originally with crippled miner. The next hedge for "cloud farmers" is GPU mining] -4877: “1. We have a logo! If you use Monero in any of your projects, you can grab a branding pack here. You can also see it in all its glory right here: logo […] 4. In order to maintain ISO 4217 compliance, we are changing our ticker symbol from MRO to XMR effective immediately." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7098497#msg7098497) [Jun 2nd 2014] -5079: “First GPU miner: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=638915.0” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7130160#msg7130160) [4th June: Claymore has developed the first CryptoNight open source and publicly available GPU miner] -5454: "New update to my miner - up to 25% hash increase. Comment and tell me how much of an increase you got from it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=632724" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7198061#msg7198061) [miner optimization is an endless task] -5464: "I have posted a proposal for fixed subsidy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597878.msg7202538#msg7202538" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7202776#msg7202776) [Nice charts and discussion proposed by tacotime, worth reading it] -5658: "- New seed nodes added. - Electrum-style deterministic wallets have been added to help in the recovery of your wallet should you ever need to. It is enabled by default." (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7234475#msg7234475) [Now you can recover your wallet with a 24 word seed] -5726: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7240623#msg7240623) [Bitcoin Pizza in monero version: a 2500 XMR picture sale (today worth ~$20k)] -6905: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7386715#msg7386715) [Monero missives: CryptoNote peer review starts whitepaper reviewed)] -7328: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7438333#msg7438333) [android monero widget built] This is a dense digest of the first several thousand messages on the definitive Monero thread. A lot of things happened in this stressful days and most are recorded here. It can be summarized in this:
28th April: Othe and zone117x assume the GUI wallet and CN pools tasks.
30th April: First NoodleDoodle's miner optimization.
11th May: First Monero exchanger
13th May: Open source pool code is ready.
16th May: First pool mined block.
19th May: Monero in poloniex
20th May: Monero +1100 bitcoin 24h trading volume in Poloniex.
21st May: New official miner optimization x4 speed (accumulated optimization x12-x16). Open source wolf0's CPU miner released.
25th May: partnership with i2p
28th May: The legendary super-optimized miner is leaked. Currently running x90 original speed. Hedge of the "cloud farmers" is over in the cpu mining.
2nd June: Monero at last has a logo. Ticker symbol changes to the definitive XMR (former MRO)
4th June: Claymore's open source GPU miner.
10th June: Monero's "10,000 bitcoin pizza" (2500 XMR paintig). Deterministic seed-based wallets (recover wallet with a 24 word seed)
March 2015 – tail emission added to code
March 2016 – monero hard forks to 2 min block and doubles block reward
There basically two things in here that can be used to attack Monero:
Crippled miner Gave unfair advantage to those brave enough to risk money and time to optimize and mine Monero.
Fast curve emission non-bitcoin-like curve as initially advertised and as it was widely accepted as suitable
Though we have to say two things to support current Monero community and devs:
The crippled miner was coded either by Bytecoin or CryptoNote, and 100% solved within a month by Monero community
The fast curve emission was a TFT miscalculation. He forgot to consider that as he was halving the block target he was unintentionally doubling the emission rate.
Uh, I’m Marketing Specialist (Guerrilla) I’m so glad you brought this up! It’s the one thing that LTC lacks in and it’s ironic because LTC is the only coin deserving of a full-time marketing team. I think people are starting to finally realize that it’s all about the marketing, word of mouth and branding in crypto. To put this into perspective as a self-funded/semi-retired internet entrepreneur, I’ll tell you exactly what caused my successes and failures. Initially (when I was young), I would launch a service or product in which I used 90% of the budget for development and 10% left over for marketing resulting in failure. At this point if I ever launch a new product or service online 70%+ of the entire budget would be allocated towards the marketing, so I can’t stress the importance of this. 1 million CNY ($150k) applied to a dev team is absolutely incredible, but LTC desperately needs a monthly marketing budget as well. It would be fantastic if these Scrypt mining manufactures or farms could consider that expense the cost of doing business. $5k a month starting budget could really do wonders for creating awareness. You can see here that we desperately need to address this issue: (sleeping giant) https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=litecoin There’s really no need for a DM regarding the marketing unless someone is brought on to manage a campaign, but I would like to give feedback publicly on what I’ve seen so far (since I’m all about community/transparency and appreciate feedback). I can be very direct and hurt people’s feelings, but the only thing that matters is the success of LTC for the sake of humanity (financial freedom from total economic enslavement), so here are my thoughts below. 1.) Current Slogan. I’d like to first go over the silver analogy since Xinxi mentioned it earlier in a reddit post. Right off the bat there are pros and cons that I see with this association. Pros: During a BTC pump breaking ATH’s it is very beneficial being known as the Silver to Bitcoin’s gold as we’ve already seen demonstrated with the pump in late 2013. People feel that they missed the BTC boat and turn to an alternative that is underpriced and somewhat similar to BTC. Bitcoin paves the infrastructure path while Litecoin trails behind receiving all the benefits, such as the hardware wallet support. It positions Litecoin as a “non-threating” alternative to Bitcoin and acts as a logical trading pair. If you like BTC, then theoretically you should like LTC as well. The Bitcoin association to a digital gold is very powerful because many cultures still understand it as a monetary metal throughout history. I remember in 2011 the BTC community was really pushing that deep psychological comparison. In 2013, Bitcoin hit parity with gold reaching $1,200 and LTC at $48 which is also very similar to what we saw with physical silver. That was not by accident, but now that BTC has hit that objective I don’t hear thought leaders comparing it too gold much anymore and they claim one Bitcoin will be worth 1 million dollars feeding into that gold fever hype. The other issue with changing silver analogy is that Coblee literally designed LTC to be the silver to Bitcoin’s gold and produced 4x more inflation. LTC is also deflationary similar to gold, silver and Bitcoin so logically I guess it only makes sense. PM comparison takes a very complicated concept and helps simplify it for your average man on the street. Cons: What I don’t like about the silver association. So I believe most here will agree that Gold feels like it’s more important/sought after than Silver. Considering historically kings have access to gold and commoners have access to the silver. I do believe it’s hard for people to chant and cheer, “We’re #2, We’re #2, We’re #2!!!”. Do you see what I mean here? It’s hard to get Excited about that for people and the same goes with hoarding LTC vs BTC. It also creates a dependency on Bitcoin for eternity and keeps LTC under the thumb of the BTC overlords (I know some of them and they hate LTC). The association should be more like Pepsi and Coke or Ying to Yang and one could technically still operate without the other. If LTC dies (I doubt this), then people will forget about the silver association and just continue chanting for Bitcoin #1/Gold2.0/21 Million/I’m Rich Bitches. If BTC dies or is bottlenecked to death it would be nice for LTC to still exist in the minds of the crypto community and that dependence is also dangerous for LTC (as we keep seeing Bitcoins lack of scaling). You’ll notice every time BTC bottlenecks transactions that the price rally gets cut short again which affects the potential LTC rally. This is also a big part of why hedging out of BTC into alts such as LTC is important, but many think why would I hold LTC when I can just hold BTC so they invest in something totally different like ETH as a hedge. The other issue is the ratio and stability of LTC when the ratio both snaps back (short-term) and is suppressed (long-term), so it doesn’t make for the most stable currency when this occurs (although a 40x gain in value again would be nice). Many precious metal bugs will state that the physical gold/silver ratio should be around 1:16 ounces and technically if BTC/LTC had identical network-effect the value ratio would be closer to 1:4. Right now, we’re nearing 1:200 which is absurd. Not only that, this association is not so accurate because the gold and silver volume/ratio of atoms on this earth is unknown. While the tokens to exist currently and in the future are precisely known with BTC/LTC (1:4) which means LTC is actually even more undervalued than physical silver to physical gold. It would be nice to talk about LTC without ever having to mention BTC and I do feel it’s a setback, but at this point maybe necessary especially considering this next BTC pump. 2.) Slogan Suggestion. As you can see I am really on the fence about the silver analogy, so maybe we can just leave it as an unspoken association as we seen Bitcoiners mentioning gold analogy less and less. The funny thing is Coblee and Xinxi totally changed the game with LTC while nobody noticed. It’s so different that I almost think this one change alone has put the silver branding into question. By adding CT transactions and Segwit it provides enough differentiation from BTC to make it a more worthwhile hedge for wealth storage (This is important and helps maintain a higher per coin price). For those that want to save their earnings in a more private blockchain they now have a reason to transfer some BTC over to LTC or bypass it as a means of storage and we already know it’s much better for transfer. Coblee states fungiblity reasons, but I already know people will be taking a second look at LTC after this is implemented because I personally don’t like when people can see all my transactions at a particular address, so having both a fully public and private blockchain is a must. Not only that he knows about the censoring of coins for associations with the dark web even if you weren’t directly involved and that hurts fungibility, so once again the right decisions are being made. With that said, I would personally prefer LTC being considered the “The Swiss Bank of Money”. Money and Currency are actually two VERY different things by the way while gold/silver being money and currency being a derivative of that money. Obama was recently at South by Southwest and gave a speech mentioning crypto directly. It would be hilarious if we embraced his terminology of crypto. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsDijAoxG9g “It’s like having a Swiss Bank Account in Your Pocket.” Another interesting point is the ironclad privacy that Swiss Banks were known for has been completely undermined by the US probing and global FATCA compliance for all other banks globally. There is no safe haven anymore and in a subtle way this almost alludes to LTC being the last bastion of financial freedom. Picture this, but instead LTC: http://i.imgur.com/yrQYmxO.jpg (The financial system is being completely turned upside down with some countries going to negative interest rates… AKA you pay them for holding your money, so that picture is very accurate.) 3.) Litecoin Constitution or Oath. I will eventually get to the marketing aspect, but this all ties into everything, such as word of mouth. Every great company has a motto, a country a constitution or religions with commandments. It is important because it condenses down why we are here, our beliefs, what we are fighting for, our principles and what is out of scope of the vision or deemed acceptable. We’ve seen glimpses of this from Coblee like when he mentioned after an altcoin forked due to a theft that LTC will never hardfork due to a theft (So, let’s outline it for everyone). This is so important that I could even see a URL being dedicated to it so the world is clear as too what LTC is and stands for. An example of what this would look like: Litecoin Beliefs/Oath: - LItecoin will strive to be as transparent as possible in all aspects of development, marketing, future updates. - Litecoin will strive to remain as decentralized as possible while maintaining a pristine blockchain. All aspects of management for social media and other platforms will also remain decentralized. - Litecoin will never reverse or roll back the blockchain or fork due to a theft or unauthorized transaction. - Litecoin will strive to operate the most financially fair network of wealth storage and transfer as possible. - Litecoin will always strive to bring modern financial access from the richest to the poorest and most remote people on earth. - ETC ETC. Something like this needs to be in place in the event Charlie goes MIA or anyone else in management so we have our guide stone in place. A wealthy individual looking to speculate in LTC and store his wealth there would feel much more comfortable if he knew what LTC stands for. The examples I gave above are how I perceive LTC but writing it in stone would make everything clear for everyone. 4.) Enthusiastic Keynote Speaker. While I love Charlie to death and he’s fighting the good fight it would be nice to see someone like an Andreas equivalent for LTC (English/Chinese speaker would be incredible). When I hear Andreas speak about BTC I literally get goosebumps and my faith/passion is restored in crypto because sometimes we get beat down when our family and friends can’t see the “lite”. While I believe Charlie should never stop spreading awareness at as many events as possible he doesn’t come off as being very confident and a bit shy (which is fine). What I would like to see is high energy, passion, excitement and a confidence in LTC that is unshakeable. Assume the sale man! Charlie observed BTC operating in the wild, made a few tweaks and somehow made a better version of it capable of more yet incredibly stable/functional (without the suspect Satoshi early miner stash). However, I do understand it being difficult to hype LTC when there is not much to talk about since BTC hit all the talking points and LTC was no different other than 4x. For the future we really need to stress the scalability and fungibility improvements. 5.) Thinking out of the box. Xinxi’s paper wallet suggestion if done on a grand scale could be quite massive for adoption despite how primitive it sounds. This is the type of thinking we need to bring LTC functionality/awareness to the masses. Get creative/think outside the box and reach out to the appropriate companies/visionaries or start a business (we need more entrepreneurs and now is the time to get involved and solidify your spot in the industry). Some examples: a. In previous posts we discussed the paper wallets for LTC. If I were to walk up to any person on the street and explain to them that I had one LTC paper wallet in my hand worth $4 and I would be willing to sell it to them for $5 and explained it was rare and similar to Bitcoin (second largest), in addition hit $48 in the past and could happen again and BTC is currently at $780.. I guarantee I could sell them on the spot. That could literally be turned in a business model and scaled as one idea that seems silly, but with awesome potential. b. Tonight I watched the unveiling of the new Tesla solar home roof in addition to the PowerWall 2 unit. Seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRqSkR4ENAg Who’s to say we couldn’t contact Tesla and integrate a Scrypt Asic chip into their future PowerWall 3 unit and offset homeowner’s extra battery power into the form of crypto. I mine BTC, LTC, DASH, ETH/ETC and LTC is by far the most profitable to mine, so maybe this actually could be viable. It’s out of the box and worth looking into from a technical standpoint. Coblee literally lives down the street and could meet with them. c. Another idea could be a sidechain mobile mining concept. I’ve thrown that idea around with the LTC devs, just to see what their thoughts were. It would have to be structured in a very particular way to work, but I believe there could be some merit there as well to draw in new users. I would really love some feature to be offered through this additional hash/computational power via a sidechain and potentially something like a Dash masternode for the monthly yield since for some the simple buy and HODL method doesn’t work for them. LTC is supposed to be “money”, so monthly yield is inappropriate similar to how gold doesn’t produce monthly yield by its very nature. 5.) More Accessible Scrypt Miners. It looks like Alcheminer is gone and Titans are no longer obtainable leaving really only Innosilicons terminators older ones and the newer ones coming. It would be nice if we had more affordable smaller miners for your average joe. GPU dominates the word of mouth aspect because of accessibility. Any gamer can get involved, he gets a few coins and then tells his friends being that there is also financial incentive for him to spread awareness. It would be great if we could see more scrypt manufactures producing something to fill this niche. 6.) Localbitcoins.com equivalent. I don’t want to offend anyone again, but the litecoinlocal.net website really does need work. Aesthetically it doesn’t look as visually appealing as LBC and also does not function as well. The .net extension is also not so favorable, so maybe they could acquire a .com equivalent and 301 it. In addition, I see little to no available trades which also does not bode well on the psyche of potential LTC investors. LBC is really a major backbone to Bitcoin adoption considering its functionality for the community and allows people to buy BTC in a more anonymous fashion. Plus, the owner of LBC makes great profit so there is much incentive for running a high caliber local exchange. 7.) Marketing. There really is no marketing for LTC and I’ve never seen any marketing efforts on behalf of the LTC association other than maybe some sponsored ads on reddit (which is fine). This really does need to change because when we saw Dogecoin doing the Nascar stuff or Jamaican bob sled team, I was thinking my god why can’t we get a budget going to spread awareness. While I believed even at the time that their particular choices were foolish I was impressed that they were actually trying to bring about public awareness for Doge. We can maintain interactions on all the social profiles we want in the world, but we really need to be paying for ad placement on networks such as YouTube, Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, etc etc. A/B split testing with a test budget would be wise and gauge interaction via a landing page. Side note: It’s funny one of my first projects when I was a kid was a penny stock newsletter site accessible via monthly subscription. We ran ads that were very professional and reasonable such as “Join our newsletter and receive monthly returns up to 20%-30%”. At the time that was very reasonable and realistic based on our track record/advice. The only problem was the ads performed horribly, but then eventually we said screw it and ran ridiculous ads like, “GAINZ of 30000X, GET RICH, GET BITCHES, LIVE ON BEACH IN PARADISE”…. And it worked almost too well. This tells me humans react off greed and dreams of grandeur. I see these claims with altcoins that get pumped which claims of “next Bitcoin” or will “overthrow Bitcoin”. I think that’ more sensational for most people and fills their dreams of becoming rich overnight. There’s those types of people and then there are the more ideological type like we see in the BTC community such as miners that will continue to mine at a loss because they believe so strongly in BTC or the HODLRS that won’t sell even when BTC loses half its value in 48 hours and people are shitting their pants. It would be nice if we could appeal to all demographics. I keep hearing about the LTC Association meetings. Why don’t we publicly post the meeting day/time do it via Google Hangouts so we can all listen in on the conversation. We really need to build a sense of community and that’s lacking as well. Outreach programs could also be a very inexpensive form of marketing. Such as contacting Twitch.tv for potential integration of LTC. If the fundamentals were explained I’m sure there would be successes in furthering adoption of the technology. If the Litcointalk.org website is not going to get fixed can we at least 301 it to the litecointalk.io address for now? Seeing "Hacked" at the top of the site doesn't instill confidence again... Not so great for branding... lol … to be continued. I’m starting to ramble. It’s 3am here and I’m half asleep. I’ll continue writing more on potential marketing efforts/ideas I’ve had (tomorrow). In the meantime, I’ve love to hear feedback on things I’ve shared so far.
"TheMage pointed me to this thread. I figure I should correct some facts. Yes, it was my brother, Bobby, who claimed the most of the Chinese exchanges are faking their volume. Given the depth of the order books, it's very likely that this is the case. But this affects both Bitcoin and Litecoin. It may be true that it affects Litecoin more than Bitcoin as OKCoin's LTC volume is ridiculously high. And it looks like coinmarketcap.com's volume does not include OKCoin: http://coinmarketcap.com/volume.html#ltc The reason why Litecoin's launch is fair is because it was publicly announced AND binary/source publicly distributed days before the launch. At launch time, almost everyone that cared about alt currency at that time was ready to mine litecoins the second I released the config params for the genesis block. So maybe Litecoin has a small instamine, but those instamined coins were distributed as fairly as possible at the time. Sadly, NONE of the copycat altcoins that came after Litecoin copied this critical feature of Litecoin. Most of these newer coins were launched to a small community or just the devs and were instamined by that small group. Others we premined. And people like to spread FUD about the fact that someone was GPU mining litecoins at the start. A while ago, I did a difficulty analysis of the Litecoin start and showed that it was extremely unlikely that someone was GPU mining. The hashrate and subsequent increase matches the thousands of CPUs that were mining Litecoin at that time. If someone can find that thread, please post it here. I've said this many times, and I will state it again. I did not GPU mine Litecoin at the start and for that matter, I have NEVER GPU mined Litecoin at all. I did have 8 GPUs back then and was mining Bitcoin with it until I retired them early last year. Actually, if you want proof, you can ask Roger Ver. He was hosting my GPUs at his memorydealers warehouse. And I had them set up to mine bitcoins and left them there mining bitcoins and never touched them until 2013. And I don't have any vested interest in ASIC hardware. The reason for not switching PoW algorithm is because the risk of hard fork. The reason why I chose Scrypt for Litecoin is more so because Litecoin needed to be mined by a different class of hardware than Bitcoin than it is because it was ASIC-resistant. I never believed Scrypt was ASIC-proof. The ASIC-resistancy was important though and it helped delay ASICs for as long as possible. The reason why that was important was because you need the coin's early miners to be as decentralized as possible. Why? Because in the beginning, the miners are the users. These will be the people that support the coin and help spread it. If the coin started with only 100 people able to mine it, then it won't go anywhere. As the coin matures (like Bitcoin and now Litecoin), the user base is no longer the same as the miner base. And having a more centralized miner base is not a big problem. Security of the coin is determined by how much money is spent protecting it. And ASICs helps with security because it makes it easy for people to pour a lot of money into mining hardware. But remember, centralization of miners does not mean the coin is centralized. The user base of the coin is still decentralized. If the miners decide to make a change in the software that people don't like, the majority of the user can choose to not accept the new version. Sure, with 51%, a miner can double spend his own transactions, reject other blocks, or do transaction withholding attacks, but it would be financial suicide to do that. So this is why I welcome Scrypt ASICs. I think the value of the security it brings outweighs the mining centralization that comes with ASICs. So why is Litecoin valuable today? Here's what I think justifies Litecoin's maketcap and why it will stay #2 behind Bitcoin for the foreseeable future: Litecoin's trade volume dwarfs most other coins. Litecoin is supported by a huge number of exchanges. No other altcoin comes close. Like the comparison or not, Litecoin is silver to Bitcoin's gold. Having a cryptocurrency trading pair is important for arbitrage reasons. Litecoin is playing that role today. It's hard for another coin to take over that role. Litecoin is supported by payment processors like GoCoin and, if I can help it, Coinbase. Payment processors are critical in the path towards mass adoption. Litecoin is accepted by a huge amount of merchants. Look at http://coinmap.org/ Litecoin has ATM support. Litecoin is protected by its own network of hardware dedicated to Scrypt mine. And Litecoin's hashrate dwarfs that of other Scrypt coins. The amount of money spent protecting Litecoin will increase substantially with Scrypt ASICs. Litecoin runs on well tested codebase. Because it is basically Bitcoin with a few changes. We have a great dev team and an awesome Litecoin association. Some of the altcoins come close with respect to some of these points: nxt (devs, hardware), dark (trade volume), doge (merchant processor, atm, devs) But no other coin really comes close to having all of these features. And of course, Bitcoin is by far ahead of Litecoin. I never expected Litecoin to overtake Bitcoin. I always envisioned it as be used side by side with Bitcoin just like silver and gold. As we are already seeing, Bitcoin will not be able to handle all the transactions required for a global payment system. This is where I see alt currencies can help. You need other cryptocurrencies protected by different hardware networks to help with the transaction load. Naturally (because of the price of Bitcoin), the more expensive transactions will be on the Bitcoin network. It's more secure but it also has a higher fee. This will push cheaper transactions to other networks. I think there will be 3 currencies that will be used for 3 types of transactions: buying expensive things like houses/cars, buying gifts/meals/drinks, and microtransactions/tipping. And today, these 3 currencies will be Bitcoin, Litecoin, and Dogecoin." - Coblee https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=648429.msg7304748#msg7304748
*TL;DR Miner migration to litecoin, litecoin's similarity to proven bitcoin, relatively low market cap, Mt. Gox's API's will soon support litecoin, and litecoin's utility as a very liquid form of money is set to cause litecoin's price to skyrocket. * Read more at http://zamicol.blogspot.com/2013/04/why-i-think-litecoin-is-set-to.html Excerpts: Market Cap With 333201 blocks mined, and 50 litecoins per block, there is currently 16,660,050 litecoins in circulation. The current market price of $2 USD gives Litecoin a market cap of over $33 million. This may sound like a lot, but considering that after the “crash” of the past couple of days, Bitcoin’s market cap about $1,157 million USD with the current market price of $98 USD. If litecoin had the market cap of bitcoin, each litecoin would be worth over $69. Granted, this may not be a fair comparison, since in litecoin’s youth it has not experienced the same proportion of inflation as it’s older brother. While bitcoin is already over its halfway mark to generating its limit of 21 million bitcoins, litecoin is much younger and has not reached the halfway point to its limit of 84 million litcoin. If we factor in that there will be four times as many litecoins as bitcoins, each one of the 84 million litecoins would still be worth over $13 if litecoin had the bitcoin’s market cap. Litecoin Mining Difficulty A while back, my ears perked up at the prospects of litecoin because of a new technology is set to give the market a good shaking. As anticipated, the increase of difficulty of Bitcoin is causing traditional miners to look for more profitable outlets for their existing infrastructure. Hundreds of ASIC miners are now active, which has forced up the difficulty dramatically to an all time high of 7,673,000 with the next difficulty estimated to be near 9,000,000. News of the impending deployment of thousands more is forcing miners to rethink their allocation of existing infrastructure. Faced with bitcoin’s increasing mining difficulty, GPU Bitcoin miners have three options: Keep mining bitcoin at a potential loss as electricity costs become much greater than the return on mining. Turn off their miners and sell or retire their hardware. Look for more profitable applications for their existing infrastructure, such as litecoin. This is where the power of litecoin is very apparent. Due to it’s use of the memory intense scrypt algorithm, dedicated litecoin hardware like ASIC miners are not anticipated in the near future, giving GPU miners a window of opportunity for profit. Switching their GPU hardware from bitcoin to litecoin is only a matter of installing a new mining application and can be done with little configuration. The logical choice for most bitcoin miners will be to move their power to the litecoin network. In the short time I have been litecoin mining, I have seen the difficulty rise over 600%, meaning that there is six times more computing power dedicated to litecoin in only the past few months. This indicates that many miners have already made the realization that bitcoin offers them a bleak future and made the switch to litecoin. As these miners transition their hardware, litecoin’s mind share will increase, and it shouldn’t be a quickly passing event. Miners can take confidence in litecoin knowing that their infrastructure will be valuable for the foreseeable future, and this confidence is bound to poor over into the market price of litecoin. As an early bitcoin miner, I remember the supply of ATI 5870’s graphic cards quickly becoming unavailable as individuals bought up supply for use in bitcoin mining. This infrastructure still exists and it will not go to waste.
Is Cloud Mining More Profitable than Bitcoin Mining Hardware?
Getting started with bitcoin mining can be a difficult process for many. For example, you must consider things like the specific algorithm used by the Proof-of-Work cryptocurrency you want to mine. Additionally, bitcoin mining hardware can cost thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars. With all of these challenges it might be a good idea to look at alternative ways to gain cryptocurrency profits, but is cloud mining a legit, more profitable option in the long-run? In this article, we’ll compare these two possible options so you can make a more informed decision. Costs of Bitcoin Mining Hardware As discussed in this post, bitcoin mining hardware generally requires a substantial upfront financial commitment on the part of miners. First, it’s important to consider how much mining rigs cost. This not only depends on the cryptocurrency which you are aiming to mine but also how expansive and powerful your mining operation needs to be. First, let’s consider hardware costs. If you want to mine BTC, for example, you’ll most likely need an ASIC mining rig. These are typically much more expensive compared to GPU and CPU mining rigs. Despite their potential to mine at much faster hash rates, ASIC mining rigs often face scrutiny for the fact that they cannot be repurposed. This means that, if a cryptocurrency project makes changes to their hash algorithms, ASIC miners will have to buy new gear. This can lead to some significant costs that can easily negate revenues and even lead to net investment losses. In contrast, GPU and CPU mining gear can generally be repurposed if algorithm changes occur. In addition, these rigs are usually much less than their ASIC counterparts. Additionally, more projects are continuing to trend towards ASIC-resistance rather than ASIC-acceptance. For most miners, this means an overall reduction in both upfront and ongoing costs. While having one mining rig might be a good first step to see if you can indeed become profitable, many people start out with more rigs to have a multiplier effect. However, even with rising prices, starting with multiple rigs should be done cautiously as each additional rig will likely add to the number of months it takes to make back your initial investment. Of course, other factors like electric bill costs have to be considered. These vary by geographic area, making it difficult to put a precise amount on how much money is needed for keeping hardware rigs operations. Costs of IT Cloud Mining In comparison to hardware mining, costs for IT cloud mining are much simpler to calculate. Most companies run on a monthly subscription model that is determined by the cryptocurrency you want to mine and the hash rate speeds as seen on popular sites like Genesis Mining and HashFlare. Prices for 2-year contracts of ETH mining with Genesis Mining currently vary from $1,520 at 40 MH/s to $12,960 at 360 MH/s. HashFlare offers 1-year contracts of ETH mining for $1.80 per 100 KH/s. Make sure to read reviews and check out projected ROI on any cloud mining service. The fact is that there are many services with extremely low profitability and even some which are known scams. Luckily, there are a few guides available on the best ways to identify potential cloud mining scams. Hardware Mining ROI Even though there is no way to say for certain how long it will take to break even on investments in hardware mining equipment or cloud mining, it’s still crucial to do research on estimated time frames. According to most miners, it’s difficult to expect to become profitable within 3 to 6 months. 10-15 months is realistic for many, though. A lot depends on crypto prices, electric costs, and the type of mining rig you use. Nicehash provides a good calculator for determining this. IT Cloud Mining ROI Based on information from Reddit forums, reviews, and ROI calculators, it is clear to see that cloud mining isn’t all that popular or profitable. For example, as of May 30, 2018, HashFlare Scrypt and SHA-256 currently take 3,828 and 3,983 days (or a little over 10 years) to reach ROI on BTC respectively according to this calculator from Coinstaker. Genesis Mining for ETH has an even worse ROI, taking around 25,992 days (70+ years). In both cases, it’s difficult to justify cloud mining over hardware mining. The problem with keeping a subscription for cloud mining is that it can be difficult to keep paying monthly even in bear markets. These stats could certainly improve if we see a massive bull run as seen in December 2017; however, it can be pretty difficult to predict when a bull market will begin and end. Compare this to using bitcoin mining hardware, and the choice is a bit more obvious. That’s because, even if the market is bear, most costs are upfront and not recurring. Sure, there are costs like electric bills to consider with hardware mining, but there are several locations throughout the world where energy consumption is very cheap and hardware mining is legal, making it a clearly more profitable option than cloud mining even in bear markets. Conclusion Despite the high upfront costs, the consensus is that bitcoin mining hardware remains much more profitable than cloud mining. Possibly the biggest benefit of cloud mining is its overall ease-of-use since it requires no difficult hardware installation and avoids potentially unpredictable electric costs. However, most in the cryptocurrency community would agree that if you can’t start a hardware mining operation, it’s probably best to make profits through trading rather than going the cloud mining route.
WHICH CRYPTOCURRENCIES TO MINE – BETTER BITCOINS OR OTHERS? Before revealing which cryptocurrencies to mine, let´s disciss first, what Cryptocurrencies are. Cryptocurrencies are virtual currency units that are becoming increasingly popular as a means of payment. Making the right choice is necessary to mine cryptocurrency profitably in 2018. Many new cryptographic currencies have appeared lately. Nowadays, it’s no longer necessary to use only Bitcoin, even if the cryptocurrency is one of the most popular with a high value. It’s almost impossible to mine them without the help of special equipment. Another point to consider is how to handle mining multiple cryptocurrency types. They are not inaccessible at their asking price and can be mined without any particular difficulties. Even with an everyday computer, mining efforts can yield impressive results. As you can see, there are more possibilites about which cryptocurrencies to mine. Of course, you can also mine Bitcoins on your laptop, but doing so is inefficient and unprofitable. However, it’s important to show caution when choosing which cryptocurrencies to mine. Which cryptocurrencies to mine? Make the Right Choice Don’t look at the current price of the cryptocurrency, but rather how easy it is to mine and what profit projections look like. For example, if it grows in price, it will be able to recover the investments spent on its extraction. In addition, the choice of cryptocurrency and mining service depends on whether it is possible to withdraw funds. Which cryptocurrencies to mine? The Best Cryptographic Currencies for Mining Everyone is interested in simple but profitable ways of making more money, even when this money has a virtual format. However, if the currency can be exchanged for real money, it means that a real deal is to be had and deserves special attention. These currencies can be assigned to several virtual delegates. This article aims to uncover the most promising cryptographic currencies online today. They can be mined from virtually any device, including a conventional computer, provided it has a sufficient processor speed and an appropriate graphics card. It’s important to remember that the choice of graphics card is a rather vital matter, due to the fact that using a video card was abandoned during Bitcoin mining. It simply became too expensive. As a result, income from mining is practically lost against the background of costs. This article outlines the most promising alternatives that are beneficial for planned 2018 cryptocurrency mining. Which cryptocurrencies to mine? A Selection of Popular Cryptocurrencies Ethereum. This currency still seems like an heir of Bitcoin, but it is growing incredibly quickly. It only cost 40 dollars at the beginning of 2017, and 893 dollars one year later. But currency is unstable and this must be recognized. There are inherent leaps in the price – if it costs more than $800 dollars today, the price may drop to $600-700 tomorrow. Therefore, you should consider whether this currency is worth it before investing in mining. Lightcoin. Another very interesting choice for mining. The cost of this cryptocurrency won’t make you sweat, with modest prices of £250 per piece. The competition in the mining of this cryptocurrency is minimal, which makes mining it relatively easy. In addition, experts say that Lightcoin is the most stable currency available and its exchange rate is subject to minor jumps. Dash is a promising currency was added to the rating recently. This is one of the youngest options out there, but it has already received plenty of attention. Experts say that it has a chance to grow to several thousand dollars. Consider that the asking costs were $11 just a few months ago, yet are an impressive $1,165 today. Each of these cryptocurrencies can be described as the most profitable choice for mining, but only thorough practice will show whether this is truly the case. What Crypto-Based Currencies Actually Mine? Some will say that mining in 2018 is no longer profitable and many will agree with this statement. However, the validity of this ultimately depends on the choice of currency you’re focusing on. Bitcoin Mining is certainly no longer profitable, but what other options are out there? Turn to the service website “WhattoMine.com” for more input on which cryptocurrencies to mine. This service is specially designed for those working in mining. It allows you to calculate the most profitable cryptographic currency that you can with your graphics card or ASICs. On the page, select which type of hardware (graphics card or ASICs) you are using, then enter the correct information in the requested fields. Performance of your equipment, including hashing speed and energy consumption, are essential pieces of info that need to be entered. When done, hit “Calculate” and you will get information about how much you can earn if you mine this or that – which cryptocurrencies to mine. Cryptocurrencies to mine – Mining On What? CPU (mining on the processor). Given the current complexity, such a mine is no longer profitable. Mining on the operative memory, for example, if the currency uses the encryption algorithm Scrypt. You could mine, but it’s not really very profitable nowadays. GPU (Mining on the graphics card). The disadvantages of this method are quite great. The energy consumption and the price of a good graphics card are pricey, but despite these disadvantages, this type of mining is by far one of the best options out there. For example, in comparison to the same mining on the ASICs, you can always sell on the graphics card at a good price. There is always a demand and in the case of damage, it can be replaced during its warranty period. The best graphics card for mining is the GTX 1070 with 28 Mh/s, along with cheaper versions like the RX 470 and 480. ASICs (Application Specific Integrated Circuits). These units have been specially developed for the mining of cryptocurrencies. However, the high costs and the high risks are a downside, since they are difficult to repair in the event of damage. This is the conclusion about which cryptocurrencies to mine.
Before discovering dogecoin a few weeks ago, I was mining bitcoin on some asics and mining scrypt cryptocurrencies on an old gaming gpu. The gpu only pumped out 30ish kh/s, not the best rate for hoping to acquire much of anything. But, I was happy because I had my eyes set on bitcoin. I never saw much value in any other cryptos, so I never worried about them. To me, being part of the mining/crypto community meant checking /bitcoin, /bitcoinmining, and /litecoinmining. After reading those, boredom would kick in and those sub-reedits got closed. Then came dogecoin. As soon as I came to /dogecoin, the atmosphere felt different. I was used to serious discussions, heated arguments about future projections, and panic threads. In this sub-reedit, I found light hearted banter, exciting updates, and helpful tips. Needless to say, I pointed my gpu to a dogecoin pool immediately. My first rewards were amazing. It was awesome how quickly you accumulated coins in comparison to bitcoin. Now, I understand that this is purely psychological since the coins aren't worth much at the moment, but it just felt good to have hundreds of something compared to fractions of something. I found myself believing more in dogecoin, because I noticed a lot of the community genuinely felt the same way as me. So, I decided to upgrade my gpu to a 7750, and cranked out about 180 kh/s. I couldn't wait to have a solid rocketship for the moon. It has been about 3 weeks now, and I have upgraded quite a bit. I keep returning my graphics card, receiving store credit, and then purchasing a new card that is slightly more money and slightly higher in kh/s. This has happened three times now, and I'm sure Fry's Electronics hates me. Anyways, I am now pumping out about 12k coins a day, and can not stop checking my pool stats. I rarely ever glance over at the fractions of bitcoins my asics are making, it seems so disenchanting. Dogecoin and /dogecoin are part of something new and fun, and I'm glad to be a part of it. Thanks for making mining fun again /Dogecoin. To the moon!
Not sure if this is supposed to go here or in /cryptocurrency ...but I had some thoughts on AMD.... Bitcoin, an SHA256-based cryptocurrency has seen a progression in the evolution of mining tools. Originally BTC was mined using CPU but as the game evolved, so has the methods for mining. GPU mining became huge when people realized the engine used to power the amazing graphics you see in video games can be used to mine digital currencies much faster than a CPU. And in the realm of graphics cards, AMD held a superiorship to nVidia, granting hashrates many times that of nVidia. https://litecoin.info/Mining_hardware_comparison Recently came in the introduction of ASICs, or Application Specific Integrated Chip, a piece of hardware designed solely with one thing in mind: to mine currencies. This evolved from regular GPU mining, stripping away all of the unnecessary parts in a graphics card and extracting only the "brain" needed to mine bitcoins. In a nutshell we can see the progression of bitcoin mining from: CPU > GPU > ASIC (Basic processor > Powerful graphics processor > powerful processor with low power usage) Those who mine Bitcoins are those with lots of money to invest in ASICs, seeing as these go for thousands and thousands of dollars. ASICs are still extremely expensive, very few companies produce and sell them and those that do, are on backorder due to the overwhelming amount of sales they get. Then there are many more companies that are shady to deal with and underdeliver(if deliver at all). https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners Because of this, a lot of players have left the bitcoin mining game and moved on to... Scrypt coins, a newer version of digital currencies came out and almost immediately skipped the CPU mining phase and jumped straight to GPU mining. With the formation of Dogecoins this past winter, scrypt coins became extremely popular. So popular that the prices on AMD graphics cards jumped sky high. AMD cards sold out globally while Amazon and eBay hiked the prices up to match demand. This occurred between December and January. Recently AMD cards are now in stock, and not only that, their prices have dropped. The peak of AMD has come and now we're moving over the denoument of GPU mining as soon, ASICs will be introduced to scrypt coins, with the earliest shipments already being sold. Many are planned for shipment during Q2 and Q3 of this year. http://cryptomining-blog.com/tag/gridseed-asic/ There is a silver lining however...purchasing a gridseed will still cost about as much as a GPU. The advantage is lower power consumption. In parallel, we see scrypt coins following the same evolutionary path as Bitcoin did... CPU(?) > GPU > ASIC So what's the point of my post? We've seen AMD have a great earnings report this past quarter, due to PS4 sales. AMD will most likely had another amazing quarter from the rise in popuularity of scrypt mining but I feel like for the latter half of 2014, AMD earnings won't have the support of GPU sales as it did anymore. TLDR: AMD has had great sales with the GPU mining trend ..but with ASISc, maybe this is coming to an end...
Bitcoin mining OK, Litecoin not so much... System Freeze's
I'm not sure how much detail to include here, so here goes: GPU: Dual 7970 Drivers: 13.1 & 2.8 APP SDK OS: Windows 7 64 bit I pull 1.3 Mhz easily. No OC. I'm not at home right now, so I can't pull my cgminer options (thread concurrency, shaders, etc) but I took them directly from the mining comparison website. My temps stay around 68-72 C I use powered risers. Problem: After starting mining I can run for 1 - 4 hours before my system will freeze. It's an incremental freeze, within a few seconds the main window locks up, seconds later I cannot change windows, then the mouse will lock up. Then that's it. No crash, no BSOD. It just hangs. I watched my pool's site to see if it was just brain dead but still running, no dice my hash rate drops to zero. The only way out is a hard reboot (power button). When I mine bitcoin I don't have this experience. I understand, oranges and apples. After some digging I'm leaning on this being a mem timing issue. Does anyone have this experience? Edit: Cgminer settings: --scrypt -o stratum+blah -u uname -p pass --shaders 2048 --thread-concurrency 8192 -I 13 -g 2 -w 256 Edit #2: I'm going to toss a bounty to the best answer
I've posted this information a lot recently to new miners with NVIDIA cards. This subreddit seemed like the right home for it, and hopefully this is will serve as a helpful starting place to clarify the very basics and get people started. As always, watch your GPU core temperatures closely. Lower hash rates correlate to lower operating temperatures. Play with these features to adjust your hash rate according to the load your GPU can handle. For example, one of my cards has better cooling than the other, so I run them at different hash rates to keep them both in the temperature range that I'm comfortable with. Getting Started (Windows Environment):
Download and install the latest NVIDIA Drivers.
Download and extract the latest version of cudaMiner (SEE BITCOINTALK - CUDAMINER LINK BELOW) .
Create a new text file in the same directory as cudaminer.exe (x32 or x64, depending on your system).
Open text file and enter your configuration into the new batch file (See below for samples. Change settings to match your specific set-up):
Change text file extension to .bat
Execute batch file (not the executable).
To exit, CTRL+C to break, wait, then Y to exit OR press the "Red X"; If the the command window closes immediately, add "pause" to the end of the batch script to view the error.
If running x64 version, try x32 version and compare results.
Command prompt window flashes and closes.
Usually indicates bad syntax or attempting to launch executable. Review batch script settings. Add "pause" to end of batch script to view error.
Stratum Authentication Failed / "HTTP Request failed; No Error"
Indicates connection issue. Review server address & user credentials.
Memory error / Result doesn't validate on CPU / Error 30
You are launching the executable; you cannot do this. Create and launch using batch script instead.
:::Sample Configurations (EDIT TO MATCH YOUR SPECIFIC CREDENTIALS & GPU SETTINGS) :::Single GPU ::SingleGPU.bat cudaminer.exe -i 1 -C 1 -m 1 -H 1 -l auto -o stratum+tcp://YOUR.POOL.ADDRESS:#### -O USER.WORKER:WORKERPW :::Multi GPU, Multi Command Prompt ::GPU0.bat (Address/Login for Standard Pool Mining, 1st GPU) cudaminer.exe -d 0 -i 1 -C 1 -m 1 -H 1 -l auto -o stratum+tcp://YOUR.POOL.ADDRESS:#### -O USER.WORKER:WORKERPW ::GPU1.bat (Address/Login for P2Pool Mining, 2nd GPU) cudaminer.exe -d 1 -i 1 -C 1 -m 1 -H 1 -l K4x32 -o stratum+http://YOUR.P2POOL.ADDRESS:#### -O WALLETADDRESS:ANYPW :::Multi GPU, Single Command Prompt ::DoubleGPU.bat cudaminer.exe -d 0,1 -H 1,1 -i 1,1 -l K3x9,K4x32 -C 1,1 -o stratum+tcp://YOUR.POOL.ADDRESS:#### -O USER.WORKER:WORKERPW
FLAGS ARE CASE SENSITIVE
Call to execute cudaMiner
-d (Any, counts from 0)
Only for multi-GPU configurations: create multiple .bat files or use comma separated values.
When enabled, it reduces GPU utilization and hash rate to allow for computer use during mining
Enable Texture Cache
(Disabled, 1-D Caching, 2-D Caching) may increase or reduce hash rate, available according to your compute capability - check WIKI CUDA LINK BELOW
Consolidates hash work into a single memory block and can lead to lower memory usage. Is implicitly enabled with Texture Caching.
(CPU Only, CPU Assist, GPU Only) determines how much work will be shared by the CPU. Defaults to GPU Only (2) if not specified.
Autotune, autotune for card generation, or specify particular setting. Defaults to autotune if not specified.
Full URL of the mining server you wish to connect to.
Username (or Username.Workername for pools) & password pair for the mining server for your device.
Verbose output to view block/warp chart and test a configuration.
NOTE ^ : This option is they key to tuning your hash rate and resulting GPU temperature. Choosing "auto" will enable autotuning, allowing cudaMiner to choose the best config. Choosing just "G," card generation code, will autotune for that specific card generation. "GBxW" is the specific setting you choose for the card where "BLOCK" is the row #, "WARP" is the Column number in autotune chart. Your BLOCKxWARP value should not exceed your maximum core configuration (WIKI GPU LIST BELOW), otherwise cudaMiner will crash/return error. For best results, the BLOCKxWARP value should be an exact multiple of your core config.
-For example NVIDIA GT 750M, Kepler card, row 4, column 32 is K4x32 (4x32=128). This is exactly 1/3 of and does not exceed the max core config of 384).
NOTE & : Autotuning reported hashrates are not always accurate, but you can use the results in the benchmark table to choose the ballpark hash rate you desire. If you define a setting or allow it to complete the autotuning, it will then begin the benchmark and show you the average hashrate once you end the sesion (CTRL+C). Before closing the command prompt, you can scroll back up and save a screenshot of the block table. Type "Y" after ending to close the program. Remember to turn OFF the flag -D --benchmark after you are done. This is benchmark mode; cudaMiner will not connect to the pool until you remove this flag
So, I'm running a fresh install of CentOS 6.5 x64. I'm attempting to get everything working up to the maximum potential. I have started by following the following guide very closely: http://truemetal.org/universe/blog/2013/05/howto-cgminer-bitcoin-litecoin-etc-amd-driver-install-on-centos/ Sadly, everything works, but I seem to be stymied by a less than ideal hash rate of around 590 - 610 Khash/sec. I have started with the recommended settings on the Mining Hardware comparison. According to that site, I should be getting ~720 Khash/sec. Here is my current command line: cgminer --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://poolurl.com:3334 -u username -p password --gpu-powertune 20 --thread-concurrency 22272 -w 256 -I 13 -g 2 -d 1 I determined thread-concurency by running cgminer with no tuning options and pulling the value from the .bin file. I have also tried various combinations of adjusting thread-concurrency, intensity ( -I 18, -I 20, -I 12, -I 13 ), GPU threads ( -g 1 or -g 2 ), adjusting work size between 512 and 256, and either manually specifying --gpu-engine and --gpu-memclock, or choosing --auto-gpu. Sadly, nothing gets me much above 600 Khash on this. :(
These are just a couple of the discoveries I've made in my first couple days of mining. Most of these will be things that are likely obvious to experienced miners, but can cause some confusion for new shibes like myself. So maybe someone else will be able to benefit from my mistakes.
Bitcoin (and several others) uses SHA-256 for its hashing algorithm. Dogecoin (and some others, most notably Litecoin) uses scrypt. The two are not compatible and, in fact, there is a huge discrepency in the hashes/second rates. For instance, my Radeon HD 4850 card runs at about 70 Mh/s for SHA-256, but only 100 Kh/s (0.1 Mh/s) for scrypt. I've gathered that this has something to do with scrypt requiring more computations per hash. When looking at Kh/s or Mh/s numbers, it is very important to know which algorithm is being used, otherwise this can lead to some confusion, for instance, when comparing thesesheets.
GUIMiner does NOT support scrypt (There is a separate program called GUIMiner-scrypt for that). However, GUIMiner will let you connect to a Dogecoin pool and even report acceptedshares all while running on the SHA-256 algorithm, which is useless for Dogecoins. I'm still not sure exactly why this happens, but it led to me wasting about a day of running my GPU with nothing to show for it, since I was convinced that if shares were being accepted, it must actually be doing something right.
cgminer can take a LOT of work to set up. First of all, there are several versions of cgminer, each with its own quirks, some with windows binaries available, and some you have to build yourself. Also, GPU mining is not supported past version 3.7.2. It took me a while and several failures at building/setting up different versions before I noticed the link on the right side of /dogemining that goes directly to a windows binary of cgminer 3.7.2. Much easier. I've heard that many consider cgminer to be superior to GUIMiner-scrypt, but since I can't get GUIMiner-scrypt to run, I can't say for myself.
Much of mining seems to be trial and error: finding the software and configuration that works for your specific setup. Every card will behave differently, and even though there's tons of information out there to help, it really just comes down to trying a bunch of things and finding out what works.
I'm happy to say I've just seen my first hundred Doge from mining, and I'm excited to see how far I can go (to the moon?). I'm sure I'm still mistaken about lots of things, and if I missed anything here, let me know.
Scrypt PoW Originally meant to be a CPU-friendly "silver" to Bitcoin's "gold", the early SCRYPT parameters, it was discovered later, led directly to GPU, and then ASIC-mining almost from the start. litecoin.org: Monero XMR 2014-04-18 High Infinite (has tail emission of 0.6 XMR) RandomX (formerly CryptoNight) PoW 2017 has been a great year for Litecoin. It started the year around $3-4 per coin and has moved up and over the $50 mark in recent months. As a result, Litecoin mining has been quite profitable for anyone lucky enough to be mining Litecoin. In this article, we will look at what is currently the best Litecoin mining ha Looking for a crypto mining calculator to help you decide between different ASIC and GPU miners? You're in the right place! Compare ASIC and GPU Miner prices, profitability choose the best one for your needs. This is a CPU/GPU Litecoin miner designed mainly for Microsoft Operating systems and was created to support Scrypt mining, which includes Litecoin and Dogecoin. It might not be aesthetically pleasing but the interface is intuitive and easy. This can be considered as one of the top Litecoin mining software in 2020. Litecoin CPUMiner is also good. Litecoin mining is based on the Scrypt algorithm. ASIC miners act as the most efficient equipment. So let’s find out what is the most profitable miner for Litecoin (LTC) cryptocurrency mining. Litecoin (LTC) vs Bitcoin (BTC) Mining . After the appearance of Litecoin, many blamed it for the lack of differences from Bitcoin.
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